{"id":11745,"date":"2021-07-01T14:06:45","date_gmt":"2021-07-01T20:06:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/?p=11745"},"modified":"2021-07-01T14:06:45","modified_gmt":"2021-07-01T20:06:45","slug":"cody-library-hosts-july-6-discussion-on-lets-talk-about-hard-things","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/?p=11745","title":{"rendered":"Cody Library hosts July 6 discussion on \u201cLet\u2019s Talk About Hard Things\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"<figure id=\"attachment_11746\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-11746\" style=\"width: 771px\" class=\"wp-caption alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-author-photo-e1625169897823.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-large wp-image-11746\" src=\"https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-author-photo-e1625169897823-771x837.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"771\" height=\"837\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-author-photo-e1625169897823-771x837.jpeg 771w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-author-photo-e1625169897823-336x365.jpeg 336w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-author-photo-e1625169897823-768x834.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-author-photo-e1625169897823-1415x1536.jpeg 1415w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-author-photo-e1625169897823-1200x1303.jpeg 1200w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-author-photo-e1625169897823-943x1024.jpeg 943w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-author-photo-e1625169897823-400x434.jpeg 400w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-author-photo-e1625169897823.jpeg 1460w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 771px) 100vw, 771px\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-11746\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Anna Sale, author of Let&#8217;s Talk about Hard Things. She&#8217;s also the creator and host of Death, Sex &amp; Money, the podcast from WNYC Studios .<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">CODY, WYO. \u2014 Anna Sale is on a mission, and she has enlisted a few of her Wyoming friends to help get the job done. Host of the \u201cDeath, Sex and Money\u201d podcast, Sale has written a book aimed at helping people have difficult conversations about topics many of us would rather avoid, but know we ought to address.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">Released in May by Simon &amp; Schuster, \u201cLet\u2019s Talk About Hard Things\u201d builds on Sale\u2019s popular WNYC podcast, deftly weaving together a diverse range of stories about people having tough talks along five categories: death, sex, money, family and identity. Sale discusses her book at the Cody Library on Tuesday, July 6.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">Several Wyoming residents share their stories in the book, which Sale began writing in Cody in 2017. Her self-described \u201cshared mission\u201d with readers and listeners is to show others that discussing life\u2019s touchiest topics is hard for everyone, but can get less difficult when you hear or read how others do it.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">\u201cOne of the things that makes things hard is when it feels like you\u2019re alone with a particular struggle,\u201d said Sale, who lives in California\u2019s East Bay. She spends spends several months in Cody each year with her two daughters and husband, Arthur Middleton, who conducts wildlife research in the area.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">It was a rough spot in Sale\u2019s relationship with Middleton that introduced her to Cody, and sparked a deep and heartfelt friendship with Ann Simpson, and her husband Al, the former U.S. Senator.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">In a widely retold story that Sale featured in one of her earliest podcast episodes, Middleton, her ex-boyfriend at the time, reached out to Al Simpson in 2013 in a desperate plea for help in reconciling with Sale after a breakup that summer. Though Middleton hadn\u2019t formally met Simpson, he was scheduled to speak that fall at a ceremony honoring Middleton\u2019s research on elk migration around Cody and Yellowstone National Park.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">After an out-of-the-blue phone call from Al and Ann, Sale reconnected with Middleton and warily agreed to attend the events surrounding his receipt of the Camp Monaco Prize. The two were later married at the Buffalo Bill Center of the West, and their first daughter was born in Cody.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-book-cover.jpeg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignright size-medium wp-image-11747\" src=\"https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-book-cover-336x510.jpeg\" alt=\"\" width=\"336\" height=\"510\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-book-cover-336x510.jpeg 336w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-book-cover-771x1170.jpeg 771w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-book-cover-768x1166.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-book-cover-1012x1536.jpeg 1012w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-book-cover-1349x2048.jpeg 1349w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-book-cover-1200x1821.jpeg 1200w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-book-cover-675x1024.jpeg 675w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-book-cover-400x607.jpeg 400w, https:\/\/www.yellowstonegate.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/07\/anna-sale-book-cover.jpeg 1400w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 336px) 100vw, 336px\" \/><\/a>Sale shares in her book some of the conversations she had with Ann Simpson surrounding a gastrointestinal infection Simpson had that caused her to lose weight, and reckon with the frailties of aging in a way she hadn\u2019t fully done before.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">\u201cThey all suddenly treated me as though I was dying!\u201d Simpson tells Sale of her illness. \u201cI don\u2019t like to tell them too much,\u201d she said of her grown children. \u201cI don\u2019t like them treating me like an old person because I don\u2019t think of myself as an old person.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">Former Cody resident Mike Simonton, who now lives in Chicago working in<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>the financial industry, also shares candid memories in Sale\u2019s book about his difficult back-and-forths with his sister, Shelley Simonton, during her terminal struggle with melanoma.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>Real and personal<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">While many people will go far out of their way to avoid having such gut-wrenchingly real and personal conversations, they are an essential focus of Sale\u2019s podcast, and now her book.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">\u201cWhat keeps me listening\u2026is the way Anna can get really personal, intimate answers out of her guests,\u201d said Carly Schoen, a former Cody resident who now lives in Livingston, Mont., where she works at an art gallery. \u201cShe has a very friendly, easy rapport. It sounds like you\u2019re listening in on a pair of close friends getting real with each other.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">Eavesdropping on a couple of close friends is how many describe an Anna Sale interview, as vital to her fans as a Barbara Walters or Oprah Winfrey chat would be to previous generations. Sale cites Terry Gross, host of National Public Radio\u2019s \u201cFresh Air,\u201d as an influence for her interview style, along with other public radio luminaries like Krista Tippet and Brian Lehrer.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">But Sale\u2019s podcasts go far beyond compelling and candid interviews. Described online by one fan as a \u201clistener advocate,\u201d Sale\u2019s podcasts include online guides and resources on topics like student debt, dating and alcohol abuse. The show\u2019s team and listeners, whom Sale is careful to credit, have created an inclusive, caring community built around sharing and trust\u2014a veritable unicorn on today\u2019s Internet.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">Schoen said podcast episodes about debt, multi-racial friendships and life over 60 were all instrumental in her connecting with others, and working on her own issues.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">\u201cYou can use these insights and ideas to become curious about the people around you,\u201d she said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">Curiosity is key to Sale\u2019s ability to connect, said Carol Bell, a Cody resident who grew up in Shell, Wyo. and is a former owner of The Thistle gift shop.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">Bell said she met Sale at a 2016 local fundraising event about a year after her husband, David Bell, died of pancreatic cancer. Bell felt a connection, and invited Sale to breakfast at a Cody cafe the next day.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">\u201cWhat I remember is I cried through most of breakfast because she asked me about losing David,\u201d Bell said. \u201cShe was completely unflinching and unbothered by my tears, which was a unique experience for me.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">The two became friends and talked about their writing projects, and Bell later decided to pursue a masters degree to become a counselor.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">With a national social fabric torn by disagreements over issues like political acrimony, race relations, COVID-19 and income inequality, Bell said Sale\u2019s book addresses \u201cthe topic of our times. It feels like all conversations are hard right now.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>Not about \u2018winning\u2019<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">But don\u2019t expect \u201cLet\u2019s Talk About Hard Things\u201d to help you shout down that cousin at Thanksgiving with whom you always disagree about guns, greenhouse gases and gay marriage.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">\u201cIt\u2019s not a book about how to win conversations. It\u2019s about how to connect with people,\u201d Bell said. \u201cLike her interviews, it\u2019s not about Anna getting the story. It\u2019s about Anna helping you tell your story in a way that makes you feel heard, and makes other people feel less alone.\u201d<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">For Sale, who started work as a political reporter trying to close the gap between the often phony and empty rhetoric of public discourse and the real issues that matter to everyday voters, bringing people together on nationally divisive topics may figure into whatever project she tackles next.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">Sale said she spends a lot of time thinking about how to \u201cbridge the conversational impasses around values with people we love, and I feel called to be a part of helping us all do that better.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">Splitting her time between Cody and the San Francisco Bay area puts Sale in a good position to be an honest broker in those conversations, she said.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">But all that can wait. For now, Sale said she\u2019s enjoying the space \u2014 and feedback from readers \u2014 following her book\u2019s publication.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">She\u2019s clearly delighted to be hearing from Cody friends who have read her book, including a recent book club gathering where a member baked a cake that lovingly recreated the \u201cLet\u2019s Talk About Hard Things Cover,\u201d a cell phone photo of which Sale shares with sincere delight.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">\u201cI mean, it\u2019s the best,\u201d she says, of hearing from listeners and readers whose lives she has helped change for the better. \u201cIt\u2019s part of why I do this work, which is also fun for me, because I like meeting people and talking to them about their lives.\u201d<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p2\">\u201cPlus,\u201d Sale says with a broad grin, \u201cmy book is in the Meeteetse library. How cool is that?\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><b>If you go\u2026<\/b><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><i>Anna Sale will discuss \u201cLet\u2019s Talk About Hard Things\u201d at 6 p.m. Tuesday, July 6 at the Cody Library, 1500 Heart Mountain St., Cody, Wyo. 82414.<\/i><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><i>Contact Ruffin Prevost at 307-213-9818 or <\/i><a href=\"mailto:ruffin@yellowstonegate.com\"><span class=\"s1\"><i>ruffin@yellowstonegate.com<\/i><\/span><\/a><i>.<\/i><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; CODY, WYO. \u2014 Anna Sale is on a mission, and she has enlisted a few of her Wyoming friends to help get the job done. 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